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	<title>Comments on: Our Time is Not the 1930s (from Grace Boggs)</title>
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		<title>By: CP</title>
		<link>http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2008/12/02/our-time-is-not-the-1930s-from-grace-boggs/comment-page-1/#comment-22041</link>
		<dc:creator>CP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.  And it has me marinating...&lt;br&gt;Thanks&lt;br&gt;CP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.  And it has me marinating&#8230;<br />Thanks<br />CP</p>
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		<title>By: makheru bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>makheru bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Spence, I’m referring to a very specific energy which was organized for a specific purpose around a charismatic personality.  Now I see that his supporters are attempting to sustain their momentum by directing that energy to support Obama’s agenda:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Change Is Coming - House Meetings &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ym1o0bwThA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ym1o0bwThA&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.examiner.com/x-1892-Phoenix-Progressive-Examiner%7Ey2008m12d11-Obama-Change-is-Coming-house-meetings-this-weekend&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.examiner.com/x-1892-Phoenix-Progress...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree with Elder Sister Boggs that “energy is a substance that can be invoked by one group or another but depending on how it is invoked can generate its own momentum, its own energy.” For example one could argue that the energy invoked by the Montgomery Improvement Association, despite the lapse of time, eventually evolved into the sit-in movement which led to the formation of SNCC.      &lt;br&gt;                                                         &lt;br&gt;However, I would argue that these young people generated their own energy which was the critical element in the success of the Civil Rights Movement. The young people who formed SNCC rejected the appeal by Martin King to become a component of his organization. Under the influence of Ella Baker they decided to become a self-determining entity.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Could elements of Obama’s energy free themselves and organize into a dynamic which addresses the evil triplets.  I agree that it could happen, but I don’t just don’t see it.  I see that energy as totally captivated and revolving around Obama’s magnetic appeal. For most Afrikan Americans the man is above criticism.  “In Barack we trust” is the order of the day.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;See: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/11/29/obama_choices/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/11/29...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The energy to address the evil triplets will come from other sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Spence, I’m referring to a very specific energy which was organized for a specific purpose around a charismatic personality.  Now I see that his supporters are attempting to sustain their momentum by directing that energy to support Obama’s agenda:</p>
<p>Change Is Coming &#8211; House Meetings <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ym1o0bwThA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ym1o0bwThA</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-1892-Phoenix-Progressive-Examiner%7Ey2008m12d11-Obama-Change-is-Coming-house-meetings-this-weekend" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-1892-Phoenix-Progress.." rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/x-1892-Phoenix-Progress..</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with Elder Sister Boggs that “energy is a substance that can be invoked by one group or another but depending on how it is invoked can generate its own momentum, its own energy.” For example one could argue that the energy invoked by the Montgomery Improvement Association, despite the lapse of time, eventually evolved into the sit-in movement which led to the formation of SNCC.      </p>
<p>However, I would argue that these young people generated their own energy which was the critical element in the success of the Civil Rights Movement. The young people who formed SNCC rejected the appeal by Martin King to become a component of his organization. Under the influence of Ella Baker they decided to become a self-determining entity.</p>
<p>Could elements of Obama’s energy free themselves and organize into a dynamic which addresses the evil triplets.  I agree that it could happen, but I don’t just don’t see it.  I see that energy as totally captivated and revolving around Obama’s magnetic appeal. For most Afrikan Americans the man is above criticism.  “In Barack we trust” is the order of the day.</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/11/29/obama_choices/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/11/29.." rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/11/29..</a>.</p>
<p>The energy to address the evil triplets will come from other sources.</p>
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		<title>By: blacksmythe</title>
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		<dc:creator>blacksmythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read you then as saying that &quot;energy&quot; is &quot;owned&quot; by one group or another, and that this energy is actually separate from &quot;the people&quot;. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I read Boggs as saying that energy is a substance that can be invoked by one group or another but depending on how it is invoked can generate its own momentum, its own energy. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When SNCC organizers go into the deep south to organize voters they couldn&#039;t take that energy they put into motion back even if they wanted to. It spilled out into a number of different arenas. Obama doesn&#039;t own this mass of energy anymore than SNCC owned the energy in the south. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But BELIEVING he does will have its own independent (negative) effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read you then as saying that &#8220;energy&#8221; is &#8220;owned&#8221; by one group or another, and that this energy is actually separate from &#8220;the people&#8221;. </p>
<p>I read Boggs as saying that energy is a substance that can be invoked by one group or another but depending on how it is invoked can generate its own momentum, its own energy. </p>
<p>When SNCC organizers go into the deep south to organize voters they couldn&#39;t take that energy they put into motion back even if they wanted to. It spilled out into a number of different arenas. Obama doesn&#39;t own this mass of energy anymore than SNCC owned the energy in the south. </p>
<p>But BELIEVING he does will have its own independent (negative) effect.</p>
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		<title>By: makheru bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>makheru bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Spence, I can&#039;t take it the wrong way because I&#039;m not sure that I understand your perspective.  Who or what is &quot;this network?&quot;  Perhaps we need to level set.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I thought that the focus of Elder Sister Boggs&#039; comments  was the mass of energy Barack Obama set in motion. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Certainly I&#039;ve seen energy organized by one group co-opted and re-directed by others.  I&#039;m not sure that is what you are proposing, but if it is I don&#039;t see it happening.  The mass of   energy I&#039;m referring to belongs exclusively to Obama. Everyone else will have to organzie their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Spence, I can&#39;t take it the wrong way because I&#39;m not sure that I understand your perspective.  Who or what is &#8220;this network?&#8221;  Perhaps we need to level set.</p>
<p>I thought that the focus of Elder Sister Boggs&#39; comments  was the mass of energy Barack Obama set in motion. </p>
<p>Certainly I&#39;ve seen energy organized by one group co-opted and re-directed by others.  I&#39;m not sure that is what you are proposing, but if it is I don&#39;t see it happening.  The mass of   energy I&#39;m referring to belongs exclusively to Obama. Everyone else will have to organzie their own.</p>
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		<title>By: blacksmythe</title>
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		<dc:creator>blacksmythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother, and please don&#039;t take this the wrong way.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re doing it again.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are measuring the power of this network by the ability of Obama to use it. Again Obama becomes your center. So if Obama can&#039;t use it to get X done, then it&#039;s power is useless. And on top of that you&#039;re reproducing ideas about organizing that are really problematic. You more than other commenters around know how hard organizing is, how much work it takes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother, and please don&#39;t take this the wrong way.</p>
<p>You&#39;re doing it again.</p>
<p>You are measuring the power of this network by the ability of Obama to use it. Again Obama becomes your center. So if Obama can&#39;t use it to get X done, then it&#39;s power is useless. And on top of that you&#39;re reproducing ideas about organizing that are really problematic. You more than other commenters around know how hard organizing is, how much work it takes.</p>
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		<title>By: makheru bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>makheru bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t our first step be assessing what we can do with this energy to create the new type of spaces we want to come into existence? And aren&#039;t these steps more possible now than they were two years ago?--Dr. Spence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The point that I was trying to make in my first post was that this “energy” revolves around the Obama mystique, and even he couldn’t marshal his forces to support Jim Martin in Georgia without “personal” involvement.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Given that fact, what chance does anyone else have of moving this energy into positive action?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#39;t our first step be assessing what we can do with this energy to create the new type of spaces we want to come into existence? And aren&#39;t these steps more possible now than they were two years ago?&#8211;Dr. Spence.</p>
<p>The point that I was trying to make in my first post was that this “energy” revolves around the Obama mystique, and even he couldn’t marshal his forces to support Jim Martin in Georgia without “personal” involvement.</p>
<p>Given that fact, what chance does anyone else have of moving this energy into positive action?</p>
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		<title>By: blacksmythe</title>
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		<dc:creator>blacksmythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me take another stab at your last comment brother. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What should we be doing with this moment first? I believe that with this moment, our first step should not be a critical one--that is, it isn&#039;t first about going up against Obama for what he doesn&#039;t do (for whatever reason). By asking whether people will be willing to move against him, we are actually reproducing the idea that we are critiquing--that Obama is the &quot;One.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If he ISN&#039;T &quot;the One&quot; then why do we begin by asking whether people are willing to move against him?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Shouldn&#039;t our first step be assessing what we can do with this energy to create the new type of spaces we want to come into existence? And aren&#039;t these steps more possible now than they were two years ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me take another stab at your last comment brother. </p>
<p>What should we be doing with this moment first? I believe that with this moment, our first step should not be a critical one&#8211;that is, it isn&#39;t first about going up against Obama for what he doesn&#39;t do (for whatever reason). By asking whether people will be willing to move against him, we are actually reproducing the idea that we are critiquing&#8211;that Obama is the &#8220;One.&#8221; </p>
<p>If he ISN&#39;T &#8220;the One&#8221; then why do we begin by asking whether people are willing to move against him?</p>
<p>Shouldn&#39;t our first step be assessing what we can do with this energy to create the new type of spaces we want to come into existence? And aren&#39;t these steps more possible now than they were two years ago?</p>
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		<title>By: makheru bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>makheru bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps we are saying the same thing. I wonder if this brilliant elder envisions those inspired by Obama eventually challenging his militarism, e.g.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps we are saying the same thing. I wonder if this brilliant elder envisions those inspired by Obama eventually challenging his militarism, e.g.?</p>
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		<title>By: blacksmythe</title>
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		<dc:creator>blacksmythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...which is what Boggs is saying isn&#039;t it? how is this different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;which is what Boggs is saying isn&#39;t it? how is this different?</p>
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		<title>By: makheru bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>makheru bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Elder Sister Grace Lee Boggs is hopeful that the mass of energy Barack Obama set in motion can be sustained and directed into positive action now that the raison d’etre of the mass has been achieved.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The potential is there, but I don’t see it happening. Obama is a master of political expediency, not a leader of moral conscience. While conscience asks the question is it right, Obama wants to know what are the political risks and rewards of taking any action.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A case in point is Obama refusal to personally campaign for Jim Martin in Georgia during his run-off with Saxby Chambliss for the US Senate. Obama obviously decided Martin’s potential (and eventual) loss wasn’t worth investing his political capital. Campaigning for Martin may have been the right thing to do, but it wasn’t expedient.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the millions who were inspired by Obama are to move against the evil triplets—racism, militarism, and materialism, they are going to have to do it on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Elder Sister Grace Lee Boggs is hopeful that the mass of energy Barack Obama set in motion can be sustained and directed into positive action now that the raison d’etre of the mass has been achieved.</p>
<p>The potential is there, but I don’t see it happening. Obama is a master of political expediency, not a leader of moral conscience. While conscience asks the question is it right, Obama wants to know what are the political risks and rewards of taking any action.</p>
<p>A case in point is Obama refusal to personally campaign for Jim Martin in Georgia during his run-off with Saxby Chambliss for the US Senate. Obama obviously decided Martin’s potential (and eventual) loss wasn’t worth investing his political capital. Campaigning for Martin may have been the right thing to do, but it wasn’t expedient.</p>
<p>If the millions who were inspired by Obama are to move against the evil triplets—racism, militarism, and materialism, they are going to have to do it on their own.</p>
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