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		<title>By: KevinT</title>
		<link>http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2008/09/21/what-last-weeks-events-mean-for-broke-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-21753</link>
		<dc:creator>KevinT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s for anything short of war or a natural disaster, we&#039;re going to get stiff-necked about it, and no, of course it&#039;s not universal. I&#039;m just saying that on the social conservative side of the fence, people would rather not be told &quot;You HAVE to do this&quot; by the government. Preachers and priests and rabbis we expect that from, because they&#039;re all about the moral suasion and they&#039;re speaking for G*d. At least we believe they are.  The government, though, they&#039;re not speaking for G*d and thanks to all the lobbyists sometimes they&#039;r e not speaking for Caesar either.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I could lump the mandatory community service requirement of some school systems into this, but I don&#039;t want to be ranting all night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#39;s for anything short of war or a natural disaster, we&#39;re going to get stiff-necked about it, and no, of course it&#39;s not universal. I&#39;m just saying that on the social conservative side of the fence, people would rather not be told &#8220;You HAVE to do this&#8221; by the government. Preachers and priests and rabbis we expect that from, because they&#39;re all about the moral suasion and they&#39;re speaking for G*d. At least we believe they are.  The government, though, they&#39;re not speaking for G*d and thanks to all the lobbyists sometimes they&#39;r e not speaking for Caesar either.  </p>
<p>I could lump the mandatory community service requirement of some school systems into this, but I don&#39;t want to be ranting all night.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Microsoft anti-trust suit was a good example of it - using political/judicial pressure on a competitor instead of beating them in the marketplace. Rich &quot;farmers&quot; who make tons of money of farm subsidies (Ted Turner, among others) are another example. Closer to your manor, colleges who constantly cry for more student aid even as they jack up their tuition fees to coddle well-heeled freshmen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Microsoft anti-trust suit was a good example of it &#8211; using political/judicial pressure on a competitor instead of beating them in the marketplace. Rich &#8220;farmers&#8221; who make tons of money of farm subsidies (Ted Turner, among others) are another example. Closer to your manor, colleges who constantly cry for more student aid even as they jack up their tuition fees to coddle well-heeled freshmen.</p>
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		<title>By: blacksmythe</title>
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		<dc:creator>blacksmythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin which activities would you describe as rent-seeking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin which activities would you describe as rent-seeking?</p>
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		<title>By: blacksmythe</title>
		<link>http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2008/09/21/what-last-weeks-events-mean-for-broke-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-21745</link>
		<dc:creator>blacksmythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but there are only certain cases in which people despise the force you refer to, right? it isn&#039;t universal by any stretch of the imagination. there are individuals who are &quot;unchurched loners&quot; in every circumstance. but most of us pick and choose our moments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but there are only certain cases in which people despise the force you refer to, right? it isn&#39;t universal by any stretch of the imagination. there are individuals who are &#8220;unchurched loners&#8221; in every circumstance. but most of us pick and choose our moments.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinT</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We like the idea of working together voluntarily, but despise the idea of being forced to do so. Bribing us to work together by handing out subsidies or other incentives makes us suspicious. That&#039;s the big difference. Nobody forces us to join a church or get involved in our communities; if we want to be surly unchurched loners, that&#039;s our privilege, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We like the idea of working together voluntarily, but despise the idea of being forced to do so. Bribing us to work together by handing out subsidies or other incentives makes us suspicious. That&#39;s the big difference. Nobody forces us to join a church or get involved in our communities; if we want to be surly unchurched loners, that&#39;s our privilege, no?</p>
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		<title>By: KevinT</title>
		<link>http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2008/09/21/what-last-weeks-events-mean-for-broke-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-21750</link>
		<dc:creator>KevinT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cobb probably gets his sense of &quot;plaid shirt Republicans&quot; from people like me. I was born Latino, but since I was brought up as a service brat I don&#039;t react well to the kind of ethnic balkanizing being perpetrated by MALDEF/La Raza on the left or the Cuban-Americans on the right. Frankly, one of the reasons I was glad to see Palin on the ticket is that McCain has spent most of his career sticking his thumb in the eye of people like me, who tend to vote Republican more for ideological reasons than for any direct economic benefit we might derive. Palin is a signal that McCain isn&#039;t in it for the long run and is just holding a place for the next generation: Palin, Jindal, Pawlenty and the rest of the fiscal hawks whose roots are in the states and not Washington. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In fact, the economic benefits you describe are condemned as rent-seeking by me and my kind, and are part of the populist fury directed against the bailout. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The United States is complex, yes. The notion that any one man can hope to move it in any particular direction without persuading/coercing Congress to go along is a dangerous illusion, and the current occupant is a good example of this. His greatest political mistakes have come when he&#039;s forgotten this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cobb probably gets his sense of &#8220;plaid shirt Republicans&#8221; from people like me. I was born Latino, but since I was brought up as a service brat I don&#39;t react well to the kind of ethnic balkanizing being perpetrated by MALDEF/La Raza on the left or the Cuban-Americans on the right. Frankly, one of the reasons I was glad to see Palin on the ticket is that McCain has spent most of his career sticking his thumb in the eye of people like me, who tend to vote Republican more for ideological reasons than for any direct economic benefit we might derive. Palin is a signal that McCain isn&#39;t in it for the long run and is just holding a place for the next generation: Palin, Jindal, Pawlenty and the rest of the fiscal hawks whose roots are in the states and not Washington. </p>
<p>In fact, the economic benefits you describe are condemned as rent-seeking by me and my kind, and are part of the populist fury directed against the bailout. </p>
<p>The United States is complex, yes. The notion that any one man can hope to move it in any particular direction without persuading/coercing Congress to go along is a dangerous illusion, and the current occupant is a good example of this. His greatest political mistakes have come when he&#39;s forgotten this.</p>
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		<title>By: blacksmythe</title>
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		<dc:creator>blacksmythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>neither question is material. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;the material question is, have albert gore and richard cheney changed the prerequisites of the vice-presidency? if so, what you wrote to your younger fraternity brother stands. if not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neither question is material. </p>
<p>the material question is, have albert gore and richard cheney changed the prerequisites of the vice-presidency? if so, what you wrote to your younger fraternity brother stands. if not?</p>
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		<title>By: Cobb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True or false, the nomination of Sarah Palin has changed McCain into a populist candidate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;True or false. The nomination of Joseph Biden has changed Obama into an establishment candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True or false, the nomination of Sarah Palin has changed McCain into a populist candidate.</p>
<p>True or false. The nomination of Joseph Biden has changed Obama into an establishment candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: blacksmythe</title>
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		<dc:creator>blacksmythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what you wrote to one of your younger fraternity brothers:&lt;br&gt;....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With any luck, young man, you will soon be working for one of America&#039;s better institutions. What you will learn there is how to build and or maintain some part of this great civilization. You will be paid greatly, more than most. And you will come to appreciate exactly how complex and sophisticated are the disciplines required for all that to work. You will also, eventually recognize how important it is for ordinary people to respect your skill and accomplishment for doing that special thing you will do, which obviously required investments of time, effort and money on your behalf. Whether you are an art historian, engineer, attorney, business manager, banker, doctor - whatever. You will approach the state of the art in a field that inherits hundreds of years of evolution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Populists don&#039;t care about that, they don&#039;t see the strength of a nation in its ability to hold the ceiling high, rather its ability to keep the floor warm. They will demonize you, your training, your intellect, your institution and the products of your labor merely to outnumber you and dismiss all that you do. They will insinuate that any and every sophisticated thing you do is worthless unless is makes Joe Blow on the floor warm and comfortable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They will do so in defiance of logic, and even the laws of supply and demand. They will demand for Joe, even if he wants what you make. And if Joe gets too uppity, they will demonize him too. They&#039;ll say Joe&#039;s SUV is evil, they&#039;ll say Joe&#039;s job is not a good job unless it&#039;s a &#039;green&#039; job. And the populist will always argue that there are more of them than you, and that the majority should always rule. It leads to mobocracy because all of the grasshoppers will live for the summer, while ants like you will work hard all year for the winter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since when has the United States lacked in quality education? People from all over the world come to our universities? Since when has America lacked health care? The populist wants to continually raise the minimum wage for the masses without requiring that the masses make efforts. And they always want to take it out of the pockets of those who do make the efforts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The easiest way to make the floor warm in this big tent is to collapse the roof. You don&#039;t want to see what it&#039;s like when lions and tigers and bears, trapeze artists and tightrope walkers, acrobats and fire eaters are all in the same cramped space with the clowns. You need people to raise the roof and give all of us air to breathe. That requires, as any graduate student should know, a recognition of the extraordinary efforts of the few, of the elites, of the aristocracy of merit.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What populists seek to destroy is the delicate integrity of the interdependence of the talented with the misfortunate. They will have the masses believe that to be an elite is to be a criminal. That the elites are all, always up to no good and that they must be brought down low. Every corporation is Enron. Every politician is Nixon. Every rich man is Scrooge.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They will ignore your respect and concern for the common man. They will say that your ambition can be nothing but selfish. They will say that people like you, because you have bothered to distinguish yourself, operate out of pure hatred and disgust for people who don&#039;t. They say your dreams are dishonest because they&#039;re not everybody&#039;s dreams. They will say your work is conniving because you use insider information that everyone can&#039;t immediately understand. They will say that you are sinister and can&#039;t be trusted, and they will demand that you explain your every move.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Populism is the National Enquirer version of democracy. It&#039;s a big lie, and you know it.&lt;br&gt;......&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t object to Palin&#039;s selection. I didn&#039;t select her. I do not claim the party that did. YOU claim that. Now if you don&#039;t think the United States is a particularly complex institution that requires a certain type of intellect and skillset, then you shouldn&#039;t be upset. There is no contradiction. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And hell, there is a great deal of time between today and....the 27 or so days ago that you wrote the above note. Things could&#039;ve changed....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what you wrote to one of your younger fraternity brothers:<br />&#8230;.</p>
<p>With any luck, young man, you will soon be working for one of America&#39;s better institutions. What you will learn there is how to build and or maintain some part of this great civilization. You will be paid greatly, more than most. And you will come to appreciate exactly how complex and sophisticated are the disciplines required for all that to work. You will also, eventually recognize how important it is for ordinary people to respect your skill and accomplishment for doing that special thing you will do, which obviously required investments of time, effort and money on your behalf. Whether you are an art historian, engineer, attorney, business manager, banker, doctor &#8211; whatever. You will approach the state of the art in a field that inherits hundreds of years of evolution.</p>
<p>Populists don&#39;t care about that, they don&#39;t see the strength of a nation in its ability to hold the ceiling high, rather its ability to keep the floor warm. They will demonize you, your training, your intellect, your institution and the products of your labor merely to outnumber you and dismiss all that you do. They will insinuate that any and every sophisticated thing you do is worthless unless is makes Joe Blow on the floor warm and comfortable.</p>
<p>They will do so in defiance of logic, and even the laws of supply and demand. They will demand for Joe, even if he wants what you make. And if Joe gets too uppity, they will demonize him too. They&#39;ll say Joe&#39;s SUV is evil, they&#39;ll say Joe&#39;s job is not a good job unless it&#39;s a &#39;green&#39; job. And the populist will always argue that there are more of them than you, and that the majority should always rule. It leads to mobocracy because all of the grasshoppers will live for the summer, while ants like you will work hard all year for the winter.</p>
<p>Since when has the United States lacked in quality education? People from all over the world come to our universities? Since when has America lacked health care? The populist wants to continually raise the minimum wage for the masses without requiring that the masses make efforts. And they always want to take it out of the pockets of those who do make the efforts.</p>
<p>The easiest way to make the floor warm in this big tent is to collapse the roof. You don&#39;t want to see what it&#39;s like when lions and tigers and bears, trapeze artists and tightrope walkers, acrobats and fire eaters are all in the same cramped space with the clowns. You need people to raise the roof and give all of us air to breathe. That requires, as any graduate student should know, a recognition of the extraordinary efforts of the few, of the elites, of the aristocracy of merit.</p>
<p>What populists seek to destroy is the delicate integrity of the interdependence of the talented with the misfortunate. They will have the masses believe that to be an elite is to be a criminal. That the elites are all, always up to no good and that they must be brought down low. Every corporation is Enron. Every politician is Nixon. Every rich man is Scrooge.</p>
<p>They will ignore your respect and concern for the common man. They will say that your ambition can be nothing but selfish. They will say that people like you, because you have bothered to distinguish yourself, operate out of pure hatred and disgust for people who don&#39;t. They say your dreams are dishonest because they&#39;re not everybody&#39;s dreams. They will say your work is conniving because you use insider information that everyone can&#39;t immediately understand. They will say that you are sinister and can&#39;t be trusted, and they will demand that you explain your every move.</p>
<p>Populism is the National Enquirer version of democracy. It&#39;s a big lie, and you know it.<br />&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#39;t object to Palin&#39;s selection. I didn&#39;t select her. I do not claim the party that did. YOU claim that. Now if you don&#39;t think the United States is a particularly complex institution that requires a certain type of intellect and skillset, then you shouldn&#39;t be upset. There is no contradiction. </p>
<p>And hell, there is a great deal of time between today and&#8230;.the 27 or so days ago that you wrote the above note. Things could&#39;ve changed&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cobb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let &#039;true conservative&#039; = &#039;fiscal conservative&#039; meaning free market, limited government anti-commie. let &#039;values conservative&#039; = &#039;social conservative&#039; meaning God, Country Community, meaning family values, pro-life, pro-gun. They&#039;re all elements of the same party and Palin brings something to the table for both. For the fiscal conservative she brings the *real work* of having gotten a huge budget surplus for her state and beaten back corruptions against the GOP party bosses. For the social conservatives she is the mom and the existential role model. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There&#039;s no backtracking or inconsistency here. She&#039;s the Republican choice and that includes those two sorts of conservatives and others as well. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t see how anyone who claims to value shared responsibility, community and life can object to a grass roots politician like Palin who started at the PTA and ended up at the statehouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let &#39;true conservative&#39; = &#39;fiscal conservative&#39; meaning free market, limited government anti-commie. let &#39;values conservative&#39; = &#39;social conservative&#39; meaning God, Country Community, meaning family values, pro-life, pro-gun. They&#39;re all elements of the same party and Palin brings something to the table for both. For the fiscal conservative she brings the *real work* of having gotten a huge budget surplus for her state and beaten back corruptions against the GOP party bosses. For the social conservatives she is the mom and the existential role model. </p>
<p>There&#39;s no backtracking or inconsistency here. She&#39;s the Republican choice and that includes those two sorts of conservatives and others as well. </p>
<p>I don&#39;t see how anyone who claims to value shared responsibility, community and life can object to a grass roots politician like Palin who started at the PTA and ended up at the statehouse.</p>
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