Comments on: Jamal Bryant and Empowerment Temple http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/ Intellectual discussions on pressing issues Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:57:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Activist http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-19774 Activist Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:43:49 +0000 http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-19774 It saddened me to read all the negatives against Pastor Bryant on several blogs. I know it must be difficult for his wife, kids, and believe it or not HIM. People are so quick to destroy others no matter what the costs. Who are we? God. I do not think so. Like a few others said, we must PRAY for the entire family during this difficult time and remember if you are true Children of God - be slow to speak, pray diligently, do not tear down, but lift up, for vengenance is God not people. And, if nothing else, ALWAYS remember - God's thoughts are not our thoughts, and God's ways are not our ways. And as long as all parties have confessed their sins before God not man they will be forgiven; along with humbly themselves, pray, seek God, and turn from their wicked ways, God shall prevail. Let us all look at our own lives, communities, and families and help others because just as sure as we condemn others, condemnation will come to our doorsteps. It saddened me to read all the negatives against Pastor Bryant on several blogs. I know it must be difficult for his wife, kids, and believe it or not HIM. People are so quick to destroy others no matter what the costs. Who are we? God. I do not think so. Like a few others said, we must PRAY for the entire family during this difficult time and remember if you are true Children of God - be slow to speak, pray diligently, do not tear down, but lift up, for vengenance is God not people. And, if nothing else, ALWAYS remember - God’s thoughts are not our thoughts, and God’s ways are not our ways. And as long as all parties have confessed their sins before God not man they will be forgiven; along with humbly themselves, pray, seek God, and turn from their wicked ways, God shall prevail. Let us all look at our own lives, communities, and families and help others because just as sure as we condemn others, condemnation will come to our doorsteps.

]]> By: Bro. Marcus VanLeer http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-18146 Bro. Marcus VanLeer Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:44:55 +0000 http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-18146 All of you who have all this to say about Pastor Bryant seem to have a deep concern for the body of Christ however, talking down on him due to what you've read or heard, is simple. Put yourselves in His shoes, called by God, tens of thousands of people who have grown from how God has used you and, a destiny that only you and God know. Jesus, spoke and taught that you do as the preacher teaches not as he does. This He spoke was concerning Pharisies in the book of Matthew 23rd chapter. Now is what Dr. Bryant speaking against the Word? Leading people astray? Better yet when has He spoke on money for real? His Ministry grew because of God, Emowerment Temple grew because of God. Touch not my annointed and do my servant no harm. All of you who have all this to say about Pastor Bryant seem to have a deep concern for the body of Christ however, talking down on him due to what you’ve read or heard, is simple. Put yourselves in His shoes, called by God, tens of thousands of people who have grown from how God has used you and, a destiny that only you and God know. Jesus, spoke and taught that you do as the preacher teaches not as he does. This He spoke was concerning Pharisies in the book of Matthew 23rd chapter. Now is what Dr. Bryant speaking against the Word? Leading people astray? Better yet when has He spoke on money for real? His Ministry grew because of God, Emowerment Temple grew because of God. Touch not my annointed and do my servant no harm.

]]> By: sean http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-14262 sean Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:09:33 +0000 http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-14262 I hate when church people talk about church people. Don't get me wrong I do go to Empowerment Temple. It kills me when people talk about my paster and dont know the first thing about him. Let me ask all of yall who wrote something negivtive about him. What have anyone of yall done to help out our community. This man has done so much in the past and still working everyday to help out people of all race. One thing I notice about us is that we love to pull each of us down. Look around do you see anyone else doing it. Take a few mins out of your do good lives and get to know the man before you speak bad about him. I hate when church people talk about church people. Don’t get me wrong I do go to Empowerment Temple. It kills me when people talk about my paster and dont know the first thing about him. Let me ask all of yall who wrote something negivtive about him. What have anyone of yall done to help out our community. This man has done so much in the past and still working everyday to help out people of all race. One thing I notice about us is that we love to pull each of us down. Look around do you see anyone else doing it. Take a few mins out of your do good lives and get to know the man before you speak bad about him.

]]> By: Min. Wendell Hicks http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-8651 Min. Wendell Hicks Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:06:28 +0000 http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-8651 Let me start by saying that I was saved at a revival that Pastor Bryant preached at Ebeneezer over 12 ago. The Jamal Bryant that preached a memorable sermon "a Hunger for God" is far different from the paster of Empowerment Temple or the TBN personality that we see now. The preacher 12 years ago preached a sermon that touched the soul and now he is more concerned with touching emotions. That is wrong. If we keep these wrongs quiet, we become part of the problem. Paul several times called those whom he believed to be false prophets or unbenificial to the body of Christ out by name. We have fallen into the trap of the world of being so afraid to offend that we make excuses for the "pimps" to operate. If we fail to expose those that are not holding up the gospel, how can those that may be caught up in the lies be warned? I have been to the website and while it is sickning, that is not the greatest issue. The greater issue is similar to what Christ told the church at Ephesis, he has forgotten his first love. Let us pray that he regains that passion that he had 12 years ago but let us also educate people of the traps that he is setting for them. Let me start by saying that I was saved at a revival that Pastor Bryant preached at Ebeneezer over 12 ago. The Jamal Bryant that preached a memorable sermon “a Hunger for God” is far different from the paster of Empowerment Temple or the TBN personality that we see now. The preacher 12 years ago preached a sermon that touched the soul and now he is more concerned with touching emotions. That is wrong. If we keep these wrongs quiet, we become part of the problem. Paul several times called those whom he believed to be false prophets or unbenificial to the body of Christ out by name. We have fallen into the trap of the world of being so afraid to offend that we make excuses for the “pimps” to operate. If we fail to expose those that are not holding up the gospel, how can those that may be caught up in the lies be warned? I have been to the website and while it is sickning, that is not the greatest issue. The greater issue is similar to what Christ told the church at Ephesis, he has forgotten his first love. Let us pray that he regains that passion that he had 12 years ago but let us also educate people of the traps that he is setting for them.

]]> By: h. howell http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-8238 h. howell Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:33:07 +0000 http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-8238 I DON'THAVE VERY MUCH TO SAY ABOUT THIS PERSON BECAUSE THE BIBLE DID TELL US TO BE SLOW TO SPEAK.TO ME THE BIBLE IS BEING FULLFILLED LEAPS AND BOUNDS. THE BIBLE DO SPEAKS OF FALSE PROPHETS COMMING ON THE SEEN AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN TODAY.SADLY TO SAY THERE WILL BE MORE.WHAT WE CHRISTIANS HAVE TO DO IS SEEK GOD THE MORE AND IF WE DO THAT GOD SAID HE WOULD HERE FROM HEAVEN AND HE WOULD HEAL THE LAND.SO LETS PRAY...... I
DON’THAVE VERY MUCH TO SAY ABOUT THIS PERSON BECAUSE THE BIBLE DID TELL US TO BE SLOW TO SPEAK.TO ME THE BIBLE IS BEING FULLFILLED LEAPS AND BOUNDS. THE BIBLE DO SPEAKS OF FALSE PROPHETS COMMING ON THE SEEN AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN TODAY.SADLY TO SAY THERE WILL BE MORE.WHAT WE CHRISTIANS HAVE TO DO IS SEEK GOD THE MORE AND IF WE DO THAT GOD SAID HE WOULD HERE FROM HEAVEN AND HE WOULD HEAL THE LAND.SO LETS PRAY……

]]> By: Eric http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-6508 Eric Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:11:02 +0000 http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-6508 I've seen Jamal Bryant on TBN and was astounded ! You see, I've also viewed the video "American Pimp" by the hughes brothers and saw NO difference between those men and Jamal Bryant, none at all. The way he spins his words is hypnotic, but once you break yourself from the spell you see what he's doing - he's ordering you to be is Hoe and pay HIM or you'll be nothing - classic pimp talk. And he does this while sporting $50,ooo in diamonds. I actually wrote to his website and SAID this, the next time I saw him on TBN he was only wearing the wedding ring. Hey, if it walks like a pimp and talks like a pimp, well then ....... Don't be fooled by the fact that he can quote the Bible, so can many ACTUAL pimps, this is a common tool used with their women, they present themselves as holy and learned. Jamal is the worst kind of devil, but unfortunately most are caught in his spell and he is all the more richer because of it, and they are poorer both financially and spirtually ! Beyond sad ! I’ve seen Jamal Bryant on TBN and was astounded ! You see, I’ve also viewed the video “American Pimp” by the hughes brothers and saw NO difference between those men and Jamal Bryant, none at all. The way he spins his words is hypnotic, but once you break yourself from the spell you see what he’s doing - he’s ordering you to be is Hoe and pay HIM or you’ll be nothing - classic pimp talk. And he does this while sporting $50,ooo in diamonds. I actually wrote to his website and SAID this, the next time I saw him on TBN he was only wearing the wedding ring. Hey, if it walks like a pimp and talks like a pimp, well then ……. Don’t be fooled by the fact that he can quote the Bible, so can many ACTUAL pimps, this is a common tool used with their women, they present themselves as holy and learned. Jamal is the worst kind of devil, but unfortunately most are caught in his spell and he is all the more richer because of it, and they are poorer both financially and spirtually ! Beyond sad !

]]> By: Nijour http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-6434 Nijour Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:46:16 +0000 http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-6434 Greetings, Michael Baisden has dared talk about what is considered a cardinal sin: black ministers who misuse and abuse their power and are then defended feriously by cult like followers who idolize these men. Pastor Drumright with all due respect we should NOT be happy that he is an African American that has made it. Made it with lack of morals and values; knocking up a teenager or any other woman outside his marriage. And, possessing a bentley in a city with 196 murders; a city consumed with a heroin and crack epidemic. More people need to examine the behaviors of these false prophets. And, if one does not want scrutiny then do not step into the lime light and ask for it. Let's stop excusing piss poor behavior simply because the wrong doer is black. Now, that is sad. Greetings, Michael Baisden has dared talk about what is considered a cardinal sin: black ministers who misuse and abuse their power and are then defended feriously by cult like followers who idolize these men. Pastor Drumright with all due respect we should NOT be happy that he is an African American that has made it. Made it with lack of morals and values; knocking up a teenager or any other woman outside his marriage. And, possessing a bentley in a city with 196 murders; a city consumed with a heroin and crack epidemic. More people need to examine the behaviors of these false prophets. And, if one does not want scrutiny then do not step into the lime light and ask for it. Let’s stop excusing piss poor behavior simply because the wrong doer is black. Now, that is sad.

]]> By: cnulan http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-6392 cnulan Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:49:42 +0000 http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-6392 All these <a HREF="http://www.pulpit-pimps.org/" rel="nofollow">filthy pimps in the pulpit</A> need to be lined up against a wall...., All these filthy pimps in the pulpit need to be lined up against a wall….,

]]> By: Lester Spence http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-6391 Lester Spence Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:48:55 +0000 http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-6391 Pastor Drumright I agree that we should be slow to speak, and be careful in our intent. Once you put the words out there you can't take them back. Where I disagree (strongly) is that there is no room for critique in your comments. Any critique, whether done in good spirits or not, represents a sin according to your comments. I would argue that this idea is bad for black political practice. If Bro. Bryant is a successful African American leader how can he become more successful if he doesn't know what he is doing right/wrong? If what happened to him is at least a partial result of the way he speaks of empowerment, wouldn't critique be the best way he can find this out? If his website--which lauds materialism--is turning off potential members, shouldn't he know about it? At its most extreme your position would have us being the passive recipients of all types of violence, because it would be a sin if we talked bad about "our leaders." I believe we become better, not worse, through questioning. I do acknowledge that this type of questioning should come from the spirit of love and understanding. But even the questioning of knuckleheads can sometimes lead to important insights. We need more of this, not less. Pastor Drumright I agree that we should be slow to speak, and be careful in our intent. Once you put the words out there you can’t take them back.

Where I disagree (strongly) is that there is no room for critique in your comments. Any critique, whether done in good spirits or not, represents a sin according to your comments. I would argue that this idea is bad for black political practice. If Bro. Bryant is a successful African American leader how can he become more successful if he doesn’t know what he is doing right/wrong? If what happened to him is at least a partial result of the way he speaks of empowerment, wouldn’t critique be the best way he can find this out? If his website–which lauds materialism–is turning off potential members, shouldn’t he know about it?

At its most extreme your position would have us being the passive recipients of all types of violence, because it would be a sin if we talked bad about “our leaders.”

I believe we become better, not worse, through questioning. I do acknowledge that this type of questioning should come from the spirit of love and understanding. But even the questioning of knuckleheads can sometimes lead to important insights. We need more of this, not less.

]]> By: Pastor Gregory B. Drumwright http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-6390 Pastor Gregory B. Drumwright Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:09:58 +0000 http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/30/jamal-bryant-and-empowerment-temple/#comment-6390 John 8:7 "...let he that is without sin, cast the first stone.." Many of us are so opinionated about things that we should not have an opinion about. How can you ask a person not to have an opinion? Well, first the bible teaches us to be slow to speak. We should not dicuss this man's mistake, we should pray for him and if we must share anything, we should be happy that he is a successful African American leader, irregardless of his issues. Yes,it is true, he did confess to adultry. And he and his parishioners are going through the proccess of repentance. Yet and still, those people remain willing to follow him, because he has touched the lives of millions of people in the body of Christ. You cannot take that away from him, even when he has committed an act of sin. Sin is sin. The word teaches us that no sin is greater than the other and that no one is without sin. As a matter of fact, if you have anything negative to say about him, his minstry, his vision or his website which boasts prosperity, then YOU my friends are sinning. If the bible and the teachings of Christ has taught us to admonish and pray for our enemys, then what do you think Christ would have have us to consider towards people that we don't even know...who aren't our enemy, but rather one of our chosen leaders. We must pray for Dr. Bryant and his congregation and allow him to LIVE! After all, he isn't the first and will not be the last. God bless you my brothers and sisters. Sincerely, PGD John 8:7 “…let he that is without sin, cast the first stone..”

Many of us are so opinionated about things that we should not have an opinion about. How can you ask a person not to have an opinion? Well, first the bible teaches us to be slow to speak. We should not dicuss this man’s mistake, we should pray for him and if we must share anything, we should be happy that he is a successful African American leader, irregardless of his issues.

Yes,it is true, he did confess to adultry. And he and his parishioners are going through the proccess of repentance. Yet and still, those people remain willing to follow him, because he has touched the lives of millions of people in the body of Christ. You cannot take that away from him, even when he has committed an act of sin. Sin is sin. The word teaches us that no sin is greater than the other and that no one is without sin. As a matter of fact, if you have anything negative to say about him, his minstry, his vision or his website which boasts prosperity, then YOU my friends are sinning.

If the bible and the teachings of Christ has taught us to admonish and pray for our enemys, then what do you think Christ would have have us to consider towards people that we don’t even know…who aren’t our enemy, but rather one of our chosen leaders.

We must pray for Dr. Bryant and his congregation and allow him to LIVE! After all, he isn’t the first and will not be the last.

God bless you my brothers and sisters.

Sincerely,

PGD

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