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	<title>Comments on: Creating safe spaces in urban communities</title>
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	<description>The Future is Here</description>
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		<title>By: cnulan</title>
		<link>http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/25/creating-safe-spaces-in-urban-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-5739</link>
		<dc:creator>cnulan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/022806_world_stories.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the power of community&lt;/A&gt;, how Cuba survived Peak Oil...,

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://energybulletin.net/1342.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The full history&lt;/A&gt; of Cuba&#039;s shift to self-sufficiency with emphasis on urban agriculture...,

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.energybulletin.net/25560.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Peak oil and food security&lt;/A&gt; resources</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/022806_world_stories.shtml" rel="nofollow">the power of community</a>, how Cuba survived Peak Oil&#8230;,</p>
<p><a HREF="http://energybulletin.net/1342.html" rel="nofollow">The full history</a> of Cuba&#8217;s shift to self-sufficiency with emphasis on urban agriculture&#8230;,</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.energybulletin.net/25560.html" rel="nofollow">Peak oil and food security</a> resources</p>
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		<title>By: Lester Spence</title>
		<link>http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/25/creating-safe-spaces-in-urban-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-5703</link>
		<dc:creator>Lester Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 01:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you think about it as a business...perhaps. but what keith is talking about vis a vis detroit is real. imagine a city with a capacity of 2 million people with not a single grocery store to service its needs. it&#039;d be hard slogging, farming is hard regardless, but even thinking about it as a business it is doable.

but thinking about it as more than a business, as an attempt to get off of the grid, an attempt to build community, an attempt to do something with space that has been disregarded? yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you think about it as a business&#8230;perhaps. but what keith is talking about vis a vis detroit is real. imagine a city with a capacity of 2 million people with not a single grocery store to service its needs. it&#8217;d be hard slogging, farming is hard regardless, but even thinking about it as a business it is doable.</p>
<p>but thinking about it as more than a business, as an attempt to get off of the grid, an attempt to build community, an attempt to do something with space that has been disregarded? yes.</p>
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		<title>By: albatross</title>
		<link>http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/25/creating-safe-spaces-in-urban-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-5699</link>
		<dc:creator>albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any business in the whole world that you would less advise someone you loved to get into than family farming?  Farms out in the country, with low labor costs, low land prices, farm subsidies, and surrounding infrastructure to support farmers (like farm co-ops and businesses tuned to their needs) are basically unprofitable.  Small family farms pretty much end up being what the farmers do on their off hours, after getting off work as a prison guard or mechanic or Wal-Mart employee.  Trying to do better in the middle of a city, with none of those advantages, seems absolutely hopeless to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any business in the whole world that you would less advise someone you loved to get into than family farming?  Farms out in the country, with low labor costs, low land prices, farm subsidies, and surrounding infrastructure to support farmers (like farm co-ops and businesses tuned to their needs) are basically unprofitable.  Small family farms pretty much end up being what the farmers do on their off hours, after getting off work as a prison guard or mechanic or Wal-Mart employee.  Trying to do better in the middle of a city, with none of those advantages, seems absolutely hopeless to me.</p>
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		<title>By: cnulan</title>
		<link>http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/25/creating-safe-spaces-in-urban-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-5676</link>
		<dc:creator>cnulan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.kccua.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s a resource&lt;/A&gt; you may consider contacting;

The Kansas City Center for Urban Agriculture is a 501(c)3 tax-exempt corporation founded in 2004 by two Kansas City farmers dedicated to promoting urban agriculture in the Kansas City metropolitan area. Katherine Kelly (former owner of Full Circle Farm, Kansas City) and Daniel Dermitzel (former co-owner of Trailside Farm in Calhoun, Missouri) were inspired by a common vision of city farming that includes:
        
* small, community-based farms scattered throughout the metro, providing an abundance of fresh and healthy food to city residents,
        
* new opportunities for people who would like to farm and generate an income doing so,
        
* a new kind of urban design that turns unused, vacant and unsightly spaces to productive use and treats small-scale agriculture as an integral part of a beautiful, lively and healthy neighborhood.

To realize this vision, the Center develops training and research programs for new and experienced farmers and for city planners and community members interested in city farming. Additionally, the Center operates the Kansas City Community Farm (KCCF), a working, certified organic vegetable farm where we develop and demonstrate production practices suitable for Midwestern urban agriculture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://www.kccua.org/" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s a resource</a> you may consider contacting;</p>
<p>The Kansas City Center for Urban Agriculture is a 501(c)3 tax-exempt corporation founded in 2004 by two Kansas City farmers dedicated to promoting urban agriculture in the Kansas City metropolitan area. Katherine Kelly (former owner of Full Circle Farm, Kansas City) and Daniel Dermitzel (former co-owner of Trailside Farm in Calhoun, Missouri) were inspired by a common vision of city farming that includes:</p>
<p>* small, community-based farms scattered throughout the metro, providing an abundance of fresh and healthy food to city residents,</p>
<p>* new opportunities for people who would like to farm and generate an income doing so,</p>
<p>* a new kind of urban design that turns unused, vacant and unsightly spaces to productive use and treats small-scale agriculture as an integral part of a beautiful, lively and healthy neighborhood.</p>
<p>To realize this vision, the Center develops training and research programs for new and experienced farmers and for city planners and community members interested in city farming. Additionally, the Center operates the Kansas City Community Farm (KCCF), a working, certified organic vegetable farm where we develop and demonstrate production practices suitable for Midwestern urban agriculture.</p>
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		<title>By: Malik</title>
		<link>http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/25/creating-safe-spaces-in-urban-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-5675</link>
		<dc:creator>Malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Dr. Spence, I think the keys to economic renewal in Detroit and elsewhere are autonomy, locality and sustainability. Community gardens could be one part of that. But instead of protesting for grocery stores, how about starting your own co-ops?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Dr. Spence, I think the keys to economic renewal in Detroit and elsewhere are autonomy, locality and sustainability. Community gardens could be one part of that. But instead of protesting for grocery stores, how about starting your own co-ops?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lester.

First of all, thanks much for putting my words out there. Much appreciated. Reading back over what I said, I now remember how ticked off I was, which is what made me dash that piece off with all that heat. 

No, I&#039;m not retracting what I said at all, but I&#039;m glad to get a chance to emphasize a few things that may have been lost to some in the nager of what I was saying. I am not at all opposed to community gardens, and I am definitely not opposed to self-sufficiency. And the idea of turning some of these vacant lots - and other empty spaces - into productive use is verry appealing and has considerable merit. They say genius is looking at crisiss and visualizing opportunity. 

Well, actually that&#039;s what I say, but moving on...

The point is that I would never discourage any effort that is intended to uplift the community, no matter how small. Positive energy is positive energy. But gravity does exist in the real world, and we must, at some point, deal with reality. And the reality, to my way of thinking,is that we must admit our limitations. No amount of community gardens can feed an entire city of this size. To feed and clothe a full-sized urban area, we need full-sized services. And we deserve them.

I could say more, but I&#039;ll quit here for now.

Thanks again, Lester. And by the way, I met your parents on Friday night when my wife and I were leaving River Days. Turns out your mother and my wife taught together at Spain! And your father&#039;s a great, great guy. Really enjoyed talking to him.

Anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lester.</p>
<p>First of all, thanks much for putting my words out there. Much appreciated. Reading back over what I said, I now remember how ticked off I was, which is what made me dash that piece off with all that heat. </p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m not retracting what I said at all, but I&#8217;m glad to get a chance to emphasize a few things that may have been lost to some in the nager of what I was saying. I am not at all opposed to community gardens, and I am definitely not opposed to self-sufficiency. And the idea of turning some of these vacant lots &#8211; and other empty spaces &#8211; into productive use is verry appealing and has considerable merit. They say genius is looking at crisiss and visualizing opportunity. </p>
<p>Well, actually that&#8217;s what I say, but moving on&#8230;</p>
<p>The point is that I would never discourage any effort that is intended to uplift the community, no matter how small. Positive energy is positive energy. But gravity does exist in the real world, and we must, at some point, deal with reality. And the reality, to my way of thinking,is that we must admit our limitations. No amount of community gardens can feed an entire city of this size. To feed and clothe a full-sized urban area, we need full-sized services. And we deserve them.</p>
<p>I could say more, but I&#8217;ll quit here for now.</p>
<p>Thanks again, Lester. And by the way, I met your parents on Friday night when my wife and I were leaving River Days. Turns out your mother and my wife taught together at Spain! And your father&#8217;s a great, great guy. Really enjoyed talking to him.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cnulan</title>
		<link>http://blacksmythe.com/blog/2007/06/25/creating-safe-spaces-in-urban-communities/comment-page-1/#comment-5658</link>
		<dc:creator>cnulan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hope of audacity brah...,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Should all that empty space be put to good use?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

there&#039;s no &quot;should&quot; here, it&#039;s only a question of &quot;who will&quot; put that empty space to use? and if WE don&#039;t ACT with all due alacrity and audacity, be certain that when it IS put back into use - that WE will not enjoy the primary control or benefit that is presently in our grasp - if we would only seize the initiative..,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hope of audacity brah&#8230;,</p>
<blockquote><p>Should all that empty space be put to good use?</p></blockquote>
<p>there&#8217;s no &#8220;should&#8221; here, it&#8217;s only a question of &#8220;who will&#8221; put that empty space to use? and if WE don&#8217;t ACT with all due alacrity and audacity, be certain that when it IS put back into use &#8211; that WE will not enjoy the primary control or benefit that is presently in our grasp &#8211; if we would only seize the initiative..,</p>
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		<title>By: tootsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>tootsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, Sister Boggs see and I agree the problems we face(the country) need a new methodology,a new language,we have to redine terms ,leadership,intelligent,and employment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, Sister Boggs see and I agree the problems we face(the country) need a new methodology,a new language,we have to redine terms ,leadership,intelligent,and employment</p>
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